Klavieren koppelen lukt niet op ander orgel

[Pietmeijering]

Goedenavond,

Ik heb mijn HW pc verplaatst naar een ander orgel. Op m'n vorige orgel deed alles het perfect. Nu alles aangesloten, midikabel geeft signaal, lampjes lichten groen op en kloppen ook met de kanalen van het orgel. Alleen het koppelen van de klavieren lukt niet. Handmatig geprobeerd, automatisch geprobeerd maar er gebeurd niets. Ikzelf vind het vreemd omdat de lampjes wel groen oplichten en het ledje op de midiusb ook oplichten.
Wie kan me hier mee helpen...

[Evert-Jan]

Piet

Welkom op het forum.

Je heb toch wel MIDI out van je orgel gekoppeld aan de MIDI in van je geluidskaart?

Knipperende lampjes wil zeggen dat er data (MIDI gegevens) over de lijn gaan, maar niet of de inhoud juist is.
Je moet dan de MIDI logging in HW even aanzetten

Start HW op en laad een orgel.
Ga naar menu General settings | General Preferences en tabblad Advanced preferences
Zet een vinkje bij de optie 'Diagnostics: log all MIDI messages received and sent?' en klik OK

Doe MIDI learn op een klavier.
Even wachten, dan het 2e klavier
Even wachten en dan het pedaal

Zet MIDI logging uit.

Ga naar menu Help --> View activity. Onderin staat de betreffende logging waarin je o.a. kunt zien welke MIDI code er over de lijn komt. Je mag dat deel ook op het forum plaatsen als je je er niet uit komt.


Edit 23-12-2022 16:00 uur
Als je een Johannus hebt, moet je geen MIDI out van de Johannus gebruiken maar MIDI-Seq

[Pietmeijering]

Welk gedeelte is nuttig om hierop te zetten?
Het is veel

[Pietmeijering]

De midi zit met een um one naar pc. Orgel is een content.
Midi zit mi juist aangesloten

[Pietmeijering]

  Code:

022-12-23-17-17-57: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-17-57: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 04, note (0-127): 047, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 83 2F 00.)

2022-12-23-17-17-57: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-17-57: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 04, note (0-127): 069, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 83 45 00.)

2022-12-23-17-17-57: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-17-59: INF:2641 Diag: auto-detection: finished for KeyboardInputOutput '1. manual [lowest]' (ID: 2). Valid events: 0, spurious events: 0.

2022-12-23-17-18-03: INF:2640 Diag: auto-detection: started for KeyboardInputOutput '2. manual' (ID: 3), screen input tab 1.

2022-12-23-17-18-04: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 02, note (0-127): 036, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 81 24 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-04: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-05: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 02, note (0-127): 096, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 81 60 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-05: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 02, note (0-127): 064, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 81 40 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 02, note (0-127): 055, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 81 37 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 02, note (0-127): 065, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 81 41 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 02, note (0-127): 059, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 81 3B 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 02, note (0-127): 067, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 81 43 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 02, note (0-127): 069, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 81 45 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 02, note (0-127): 053, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 81 35 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 02, note (0-127): 052, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 81 34 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 02, note (0-127): 050, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 81 32 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 02, note (0-127): 069, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 81 45 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 02, note (0-127): 048, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 81 30 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 02, note (0-127): 072, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 81 48 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-06: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-09: INF:2641 Diag: auto-detection: finished for KeyboardInputOutput '2. manual' (ID: 3). Valid events: 0, spurious events: 0.

2022-12-23-17-18-11: INF:2640 Diag: auto-detection: started for KeyboardInputOutput '3. manual' (ID: 4), screen input tab 1.

2022-12-23-17-18-13: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 036, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 24 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-13: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 096, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 60 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 065, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 41 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 059, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 3B 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 057, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 39 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 067, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 43 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 069, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 45 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 071, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 47 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 054, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 36 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 055, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 37 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 056, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 38 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-14: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-15: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 072, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 48 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-15: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-15: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 047, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 2F 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-15: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-15: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 053, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 35 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-15: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-15: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 052, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 34 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-15: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-15: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 050, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 32 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-15: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-15: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 048, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 30 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-15: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-15: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 01, note (0-127): 074, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 80 4A 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-15: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-16: INF:2641 Diag: auto-detection: finished for KeyboardInputOutput '3. manual' (ID: 4). Valid events: 0, spurious events: 0.

2022-12-23-17-18-18: INF:2640 Diag: auto-detection: started for KeyboardInputOutput 'Pedal' (ID: 1), screen input tab 1.

2022-12-23-17-18-20: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 03, note (0-127): 036, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 82 24 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-20: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-20: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 03, note (0-127): 036, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 82 24 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-20: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-21: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 03, note (0-127): 065, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 82 41 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-21: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-21: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 03, note (0-127): 064, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 82 40 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-21: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-21: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 03, note (0-127): 062, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 82 3E 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-21: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-21: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 03, note (0-127): 060, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 82 3C 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-21: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-21: INF:2551 Diag: IN: MIDI note off: port: Console MIDI IN 01 [=> 7- UM-ONE], channel (1-16): 03, note (0-127): 059, velocity (0-127): 000. (Raw hex bytes: 82 3B 00.)

2022-12-23-17-18-21: INF:2647 Diag: auto-detection: event being ignored. Valid events so far: 0, spurious events so far: 0. Reason code: 1017.

2022-12-23-17-18-23: INF:2641 Diag: auto-detection: finished for KeyboardInputOutput 'Pedal' (ID: 1). Valid events: 0, spurious events: 0.

2022-12-23-17-18-32: INF:2507 Stopping audio and MIDI. [Mem. usage stats. MB: Approx. est. of tot. usable phys. mem. remaining: 88358, Approx. est. Hauptwerk sample/obj. mem. (excl. other data): 37329 (37019 pageable). Approx. pct. phys. mem. used: 29, OS tot. 'available' phys.: 88358, OS commit tot.: 10, OS tot. page file: 0, OS tot. virtual: 130837, OS mem. load pct: 32, OS sys. cache: 9, OS process commit: 38741, OS process page faults: 15, OS process work. set: 38656, OS process min. work. set: 54711, OS process max. work. set: 127765.]

2022-12-23-17-18-32: INF:5097 Stopping audio. Priorities: plug-in link: --, Win DS: --.

2022-12-23-17-18-32: INF:5122 Stopping audio output device 'ASIO: Focusrite USB ASIO'. (Pri: 15[32:18], smallest buffer fill: 256 frames, largest: 256 frames.)

2022-12-23-17-18-32: INF:5099 Audio stopped.

2022-12-23-17-18-32: INF:3828 Stopping MIDI.

[Evert-Jan]

Ik heb dat deel in <code> tags geplaatst.

Het probleem zit in de Content.
Bij elke toets die je indrukt zie ik "velocity (0-127): 000" in de logfile
Die 000 zou 127 moeten zijn. HW krijgt dus 000 binnen en dat is toets loggelaten en niet toets ingedrukt.
Het moet zijn "velocity (0-127): 127" en dan "velocity (0-127): 000". Toets ingedrukt en dan losgelaten.

Die 127 mag ook een lager waarde zijn maar geen 000, want dat is dus gereserveerd voor losgelaten.

Zit er in de Content iets van aanslaggevoeligheid?

[Pietmeijering]

Ik zou het niet zo 123 weten. In handleiding kan ik er zo niks over vinden...

[Pietmeijering]

Probleem opgelost. Er zitten zgn midi schakelaars op het orgel. Daarmee zet je een klavier aan voor de midi....
In iedergeval bedankt voor het meedenken, ik ga de boel eens losspelen

[wverschoor]

... Als je een Johannus hebt, moet je geen MIDI out van de Johannus gebruiken maar MIDI-Seq

Eh... als een Johannus een MIDI OUT connector heeft is er geen MIDI SEQ connector aanwezig en omgekeerd.
Ter info:
Johannus heeft op de oudere modellen (met MIDI) 3 connectors voor MIDI: MIDI IN, MIDI THRU en MIDI OUT. Op MIDI THRU wordt het binnenkomend MIDI-signaal van MIDI IN doorgegeven (voor doorlussing naar andere instrumenten). Op MIDI OUT komt alles (voor zover in MIDI beschikbaar) naar buiten.
Op de nieuwere modellen is het een andere combinate van connectors: MIDI IN, MIDI MOD en MIDI SEQ (MIDI THRU is niet meer aanwezig). Via MIDI MOD (afkorting van Sound Module) komt de MIDI naar buiten die wordt geschakeld via de MIDI schakelaars. Dit werkt per klavier/pedaal en de MIDI-schakelaars zijn programmeerbaar qua kanaal en klank (program change). Deze MIDI uitgang is geschikt om externe sound modules of keyboards/synthesizers etc. aan te sluiten. Via MIDI SEQ (afkorting van Sequencer) komt altijd alles wat je doet op het orgel naar buiten. Dit is dan ook de beste keuze om een HW computer op aan te sluiten.

Zo was het in ieder geval tot zo'n 8 jaar geleden. Daarna ben ik niet meer op de hoogte maar ik vermoed dat daar niet veel aan veranderd is.

Gr. Willem